Need help identifying unknowns

GlennE.Chatfield

I know there are people out there who are really good detectives when it comes to identifying unknown aircraft. I have identified lots of them on A-D myself. Now I'm looking for help with my collection. Many shots are of military machines that were at particular events. I have had one gentleman on A-D help me with many of these - somehow he found lists of aircraft at those events. I'm hoping there are more people who know how to find out what military aircraft attended various air shows over the years.

Anyway, I also will have some warbirds needing identified.

I just made a new blog just to post my unknowns - "Plane Does" I call them (get it - like Jane or John Does?). If you want to try your luck helping me identify planes, I just finished posting my first 16 (that's all I have time for today). Here's where you'll find my shots: http://planedoes.blogspot.com/

Okay all you Sherlock Holmes's out there, try your best!

Glenn

stantonite

Hi Glenn

Just the one so far

Your Yale NA-64 is apporpriately N3406 c/n 64-2144

http://www.airliners.net/photo/North-American-NA-64/0893190/L/

Terry Fletcher

GlennE.Chatfield

Thank you Terry! That's two planes already identified; Peter Nicholson gave me the ID for the F-14A at Rickenbacker in 1977.

I knew this blog would be a good way to get the IDs. Ah, the power of the internet!

I'm still going through my photos of trainers, and then there will be Utility, and pre-1962 Navy and foreign, so there will be more unknowns still to be posted.

Glenn

Ztex

Glen,

The Blue T-28 is N194RR

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/008447.html

http://www.warbirdregistry.org/t28registry/t28-138194.html

Could the PT-23 be N60418? It currently flies in a very similar scheme...

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photos/N60418;222354;1.html

Zane

stantonite

Glenn

Re your Stearman on the 1992 visit to National Warplane Museum - a possible answer - I hope you understand my logic

I have read that the National Warplane Museum moved / re-located as

Wings of Eagles

http://www.wingsofeagles.com/AdmissionsDirections.cfm#directions

In THEIR collection they have a Stearman N64604

http://www.wingsofeagles.com/collection.cfm

although it not in the colours of YOUR photo

now look to the fourth photo on the link

http://www.comcar.org/vintage&veteran/rsdegroat.htm

which suggests it could have been the same aircraft

Hope this makes sense

Terry Fletcher

GlennE.Chatfield

Zane and Terry,

You guys are good! This is getting to be fun.

The T-28 in my shot doesn't have the lady by the cockpit, but I agree it's the same bird; must have added that one later.

The N2S-3 took some detective work, and I agree with the logic. I forgot NWM changed - I had read that a long time ago.

I spent hours on the net looking for these birds over the past couple years. And I even looked at all the photos on Warbird Registry for both Stearmans and Trojans hoping to find a match; I don't know when that T-28 photo got added, but I never saw it before.

The new impetus for searching came about because I've been checking all my photos against Andy Marden's book with all the "USA Military Out of Service," and I have found some bad serials on some of my shots. So I figured I'd try to get my unknowns ID'd.

When I get through with going through them (still in my trainers) then I'll be going back through and making a blog with the ones I need loose ends tied up - planes I have either a serial or N-number but not both, and which have disappeared.

I really appreciate you guys helping out!

Glenn

GlennE.Chatfield

Zane,

I forgot about the PT-23; I don't think it's the same. I've seen a few PT-23s in similar schemes, but the numbers and letter is different; I have a terrible flypast shot taken into the sun so it's dark, but the letter it carried was "T". So I'll keep looking; who knows, maybe you ARE right!

Ztex

Glenn,

Glad to be of some help...I too have a few unknowns that I would like to ID.... I keep working on them.

I enjoy searching around for the answers, but it sure burns time. I have had some good luck ID'ing some warbirds by posting the pics on http://warbirdinformationexchange.org/

And...I have a pic of a black and white Stearman very similar to yours...taken in 1986 at Pampa, TX. It was a popular paint style, there are a few out there with the same style in different colors...who knows?

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/129862.html

I think it's the one....

GlennE.Chatfield

Thanks Zane,

I'll have to keep the Warbird Information Exchange in mind. BUT, I agree with you as to the identity of my Stearman, which makes it an N2S-5 BuNo 52596. I edited my photo to join yours.

Glenn

CKennedy92

Is this the yellow T-28? It's N28JD here, but I don't know if it's the same one as the current N28JD. That was registered in 2004.

http://www.airliners.net/photo/North-American-T-28A/0933727/L/&sid=8a4b6724c4d14fd4be112006a8b781cf

GlennE.Chatfield

I'd say that's the one! Thanks for that. This plane is now at the Dakota Territory Air Museum in Minot, ND. I have had seven aircraft identified already!

CKennedy92

There is an L-5 owners group on the web. Maybe they would know something about yours.

http://www.sentinelclub.org/

DeanHeald

T-33:

If it were tail number 35951 in reality,

T-33A-5-LO

BuNo 53-5951, cn 580-9427

to MASDC Sep 16, 1975

But, you are correct, that tail number is a bogus number.

There is a photo (taken in 1992) of a T-33A with the 35951 tail number at:

http://www.abpic.co.uk/photo/1160783/

The registration is N533CB, c/n 580-7254, s/n 51-17463 per FAA ( http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=533CB )

N533CB per http://www.abpic.co.uk/photo/1160783/

Further, per http://www.joebaugher.com/usaf_serials/1951.html

51-17463 is c/n 580-7254,

However, that page incorrectly says 51-17463 (c/n 580-7284) to Belgium as FT-16. To civil registry as N533CB. That c/n should be 580-7254 not 580-7284.

So, the answer is:

Lockheed T33-1-LO

N533CB

c/n 580-7254

former 51-17463

Tail code on aircraft is bogus

Hope this helps,

Dean

GlennE.Chatfield

Thanks much for that good research Dean. One correction, on your last part you left off the 1, "51-7463" = that's a Birddog. Should be 51-17463

That makes eight aircraft identified. These things have been sitting unidentified for a long time. Obviously I'm not doing good enough with my google searches!

stantonite

Glenn

Re you PT-19 at Du Page in 1987

I have found this photo of a Cornell with serial 26 (at Sun'n Fun 2010)

http://www.abpic.co.uk/photo/1230289/

Not sure where the photographer has got the N registration from - not on

Joe Baugher's site against 42-82724

Your call ??

Terry Fletcher

GlennE.Chatfield

Terry, you're doing good! I can't be 100% certain these are the same planes without seeing "Suzie Q" on the other side of the nose, but I'm convinced the likelihood of another "26" are remote.

Also, with the c/n on N46389 being T43-5311, it works out as 42-82724. Baugher actually has a whole raft of missing warbirds; I'm always filling him in on them.

Thanks again for your help.

Glenn

GlennE.Chatfield

I just posted a few more unidentified's on my blog. For you warbird guys, I have two Wildcats I can't find on the net. And I have a Beech D17S Staggerwing with no call sign. All three of these birds probably have different paint now. But if anyone recognizes the old scheme, let me know.

Thanks!

Glenn

stantonite

Glenn

With regard to your Staggerwing - I think this photo is the same aircraft ??

http://www.beechcraftheritagemuseum.org/images/gallery/model_17/sn6685_D17S_N40E.jpg

Although the registration is NOT visible in the photo the URL for the link suggests it is N40E msn6685 - only photos of N40E on the net are in a revised colour scheme

GlennE.Chatfield

I don't think that's the one unless it has a new paint job - the schemes don't match. Unfortunately, there are quite a few Staggerwings on the net with similar paint scheme, but the only one I found that comes really close is one that just got that as a NEW scheme. It would be great to either learn from someone who knew Ross and his planes (or at least his planes) or had a photo from that time period with an exact match. I think some of these older shots are going to be difficult to identify unless someone knew the plane or has a contemporary photo.

L-5jockey

Glenn

The ID for your pix of the Duck

J2F-6 Duck N1214N US Navy BuNo. 33549 c/n or msn is unknown. FAA listing used the BuNo as msn. In 1973 (your photo date) it was owned by:

John C. Siedel - Sugar Grove ILL.

The duck was wearing the same color scheme, at Oshkosh in 1977.

Bird is now with the Kermit Weeks collection in Florida.

John Hevesi