Need help identifying unknowns

L-5jockey

Glenn

Your Black & Yellow Meyers OTW that was owned by William Ross Enterprises,

Elk Grove Village IL. was and still is registered as N34304 msn (c/n) 49

My notes show that it was owned, a few years ago by: Stanley Dollen of Oxford Florida.

Currently it's registered in Delaware (as are many aircraft are, for tax purposes) to Sheeree Corp.

John

CKennedy92

Glenn,

You might want to contact the guy who runs this web site about the Me 108.

http://www.preservedaxisaircraft.com/

Chris

CKennedy92

Wildcats

http://www.airliners.net/photo/General-Motors-FM-2/0937207/M/

http://www.airliners.net/photo/General-Motors-FM-2/0933725/M/

GlennE.Chatfield

WOW! Leave the 'net for a day and a half and all sorts of things turn up.

John - the J2F is the Candy Clipper!?!?!?! That's exciting. Also, how did you track Ross' OTW? Can you do the same with his Staggerwing?

Chris, I don't know how you found those Wildcats; I was on google for a very, very long time trying to find those. I don't put those photos on until I am at a total loss searching the net, and yet you guys seem to find the impossible. And I'll see what I can dig up with that link for Me.108s.

Thanks bunches, guys. Now I have to get them all marked in my collection and edit call signs in my gallery!

Glenn

L-5jockey

Glenn

This Valiant is definitely N63838 msn (c/n) 2276. Still current on the USregister, based in New Jersey, still in basically same colors.

I photographed her in 1975 at Rentschler Field in East Hartford CT (when it was still an airport), same colors as your shot with the same markings and sticker on the rear cockpit glass.

Haven't been able to tie it to a USAAF contract serial number, yet..

John

GlennE.Chatfield

Thanks John, for another excellent find! Now, if we could only find out the AF serial. I checked a book I have for cross reference, but the BT-13 series is one it doesn't have c/ns for, so I checked Baugher and can't learn from him either. I have three other BT-13A with the same problem.

Glenn

Ztex

Glen,

There is a BT-13 listed as 41-22276.

But...it shows to have been involved in a fatal stall spin accident in 1943.

http://www.aviationarchaeology.com/src/dbahb.asp?HB=aaf&offset=17500

GlennE.Chatfield

Thanks Zane, but the c/ns have no relation to the serials. Often if you know one you can find another because they will be sequential with the serials, but that isn't always the case. The BT-13s are one of those types where the c/ns are not sequential with the serials. And that makes it more difficult to find them. Usually I am able to get them from the pilot who should have it with the aircraft records.

stantonite

Glenn

Not the definitive answer - but narrowing down the field - Wikipedia has a list of HA-1114 Survivors at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_surviving_Messerschmitt_Bf_109s

of which 5 are shown as EX VICTORY AIR MUSEUM

HA-1112-M1L c/n 194 C.4K-134, movie: Battle of Britain, ex-Victory Air Museum On limited display at Wittmundhafen AB, Germany (Markings: Black 12) note: rebuilt with DB 605 engine

HA-1112-M1L c/n 195 C.4K-135, movie: Battle of Britain, ex-Victory Air Museum, St Louis, MO (S)

HA-1112-M1L c/n 201 C.4K-131 (OO-MAF), movie: Battle of Britain, ex-Victory Air Museum", " White 1 Sabine ", Eric Vormezeele Collection, Brasschaat, Belgium

HA-1112-M1L c/n 235 C.4K-172 (N109GU), movie: Battle of Britain, ex-Victory Air Museum, " <- + - ", Cavanaugh Flight Museum(CAM), Addison, TX

HA-1112-M1L c/n 178 C.4K-178, movie: Battle of Britain, ex-Victory Air Museum, The 1941 Historical Aircraft Group, Genesco, NY,(S)

note: Rebuilt with DB601N engine

Terry Fletcher

stantonite

Glenn

Re your Me108 ( Black 8 ) at Oshkosh in 1983 - it may turn out to have been one of the HA-1112s in my previous post - the following is an extract of an article - see if the logic makes sense to you - the dates seem to tie in.

At the beginning of the seventies, the Messerschmitt AG decided to bring a Bf 109 back in the skies with Daimler-Benz engine. therefore, the Spanish HA-1112 M-1L serial number 195, built in 1959 and later displayed as "black 8" of the I./JG 27 in an US museum. When the restoration begun in 1976, the workers discovered, that the fuselage came from German production, being an "original" Bf 109 fuselage. The engine came from Sweden in 1978, being a licence built DB 605. It was checked in Germany and installed to the Bf 109. A huge number of problems threatend to destroy the project, but on 4th April 1982 the Bf109 took of for its maiden flight.

Until summer 1983 it flew 49 times and was a highlight at many air-shows.

On June the 3rd 1983, the plane broke out during the takeoff and ended as a wreck.

The MBB decided to repare the plane another time

The full article is at

http://www.trekearth.com/gallery/Europe/France/North/Ile-de-France/La_Ferte-Alais/photo879455.htm

I believe its registration is D-FMBB - which was retained for the rebuilt aircraft also - with fuselage from c/n 156

so unwittingly this photo ties in with the Victory Air Museum

Regards

Terry Fletcher

GlennE.Chatfield

Hi Terry,

Well, there is a bit of confusion. The Me.108 (or possibly Nord 1000 series) at Oshkosh is not a Me.109 or HA-1112. So we're still looking for that one.

As to the Victory Air Museum bunch, Thanks for that info. I actually did find a site which listed the birds the Victory Air Museum had: C4K-107, -121, -131, -134, -135 and -172. So I knew it was one of these six birds. Now, if we can find out which one had "A-3" on the tail, we'd be in business!

Thanks for your research on where those are now. That gives me something to go on.

Glenn

GlennE.Chatfield

For all you airplane detectives, I've entered my last plane on "Plane Does" http://planedoes.blogspot.com/ There's a bit over 30 of them still needing found.

Now I've started a new blog of planes with some identification, but dead ends as to their present call signs or whereabouts. If that piques your interest, I'll be adding more planes there for the next few days.

http://planelooseends.blogspot.com/

Glenn

L-5jockey

The L-39's ID should be N3958J when you took the photo.

It is curerently registered N57XJ and was owned by Elmo Hahn from Michigan,

about the time you shot it....my Kodakchrome shot of it is dated June 1996.

L-39C msn (c/n) 432827

N3958J is not current in USCAR, so I added it to N57XJ page.

John

GlennE.Chatfield

Thanks for that ID John. I keep thinking people have to have photos of the same aircraft taken in the same time frame.

GlennE.Chatfield

Just a bit of information for all you sleuths. I posted, including a few more I found today, a total of 51 aircraft on my "Plane Does" blog, seeking identification. To date, I have been supplied with identities of 14 aircraft:

Peter Nicholson = 2

Terry Fletcher - 3

Zane Adams = 2

Chris Kennedy = 2

Dean Heald = 1

John Hevesi holds the record at 4!

Thanks for all your help! I now have about 30 aircraft on my other blog, looking for loose ends to tie up.

And, by the way, I am still searching on my own! I found a three more that have shown up on the web since my last search, so I guess the more time goes by the more able I am to find these old birds.

stantonite

Plane Loose Ends

L-16Bs

Joe Baugher has this range allocated for L-16Bs

48-424 ... 48-523

Aeronca L-16B Grasshopper so I would guess N7597B is ex 48-510

The Bird Dog MSN 22452

The caption on this photo suggests that the marks schemes are fake

http://www.myaviation.net/search/search.php?view=&regnr=N5190G

the aircraft was manufactured in 1951 - from Joe Baughers site

51-11912 ... 51-12911

Cessna L-19A Bird Dog

Redesignated O-1A in 1962

under this batch there are entries

51-12129 (c/n 22443) became N305TA. Noted Oct 2004 at Planes of Fame

51-12134 (c/n 22448) to VH-@AG, VH-FAC. May be ex-Thai AF

keeping the logic to the USAF / MSN sequences

c/n 22452 would have been 51-12138

Confirmed on Dutch Scramble Report

Re N6430C L-5 Sentinel c/n 1813 not 813

- look at photo and comments

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Stinson-L-5-Sentinel/1272787/L/

which would make it 42-98562 which ties in with Joe Baugher batch

42-98036 ... 42-99573 (EXACT MATCH)

Stinson L-5 Sentinel

Regards

Terry Fletcher

GlennE.Chatfield

Terry,

You are a super sleuth!

N7597B: The c/ns for L-16 that Baugher shows are totally different, and some investigation showed me why. This plane is a 1957 7FC according to the FAA registration. The L-16s were 1947 and 1948 models. The 7FC is the Tri-Traveller model. So apparently this plane has been converted to look like an L-16B. I got on the FAA records and found an address for the owner, so I will write to verify. I have found this way to be quite unsuccessful; I have previously written inquiries about serials, etc to almost two dozen owners and only one ever responded, even though all included stamped, self-addressed envelopes and e-mail for their choice of responding!

N5109G, the O-1A: Unfortunately, the c/n and serials for Birddogs aren’t necessarily sequential, which is why I didn’t even try that one. Example: 51-12001 is c/n 22115, yet 51-12072 is 22386. 51-12297 is c/n 22611 while -12299 is 23563. You can see how that would jumble up sequential numbering! Glad you found a Scramble with the right number, which coincidentally is sequential in that grouping you looked at.

Ref N6430C, it certainly helps to have the right c/n! I don't know how I copied that down wrong, but that explains why I couldn't find it. DUH!

Thanks much for the help lad!

Glenn

CKennedy92

Re the Thunderbirds F-16.

This web site has lists of planes used, but it's not definitive which of two was probably #1 in your photo.

http://www.f-16.net/aircraft-database/F-16/display-team-aircraft/team/Thunderbirds/

CKennedy92

F-14 might be this one, but it's hard to say for sure.

http://www.airliners.net/photo/USA---Navy/Grumman-F-14A-Tomcat/0913688/M/

GlennE.Chatfield

Chris, it looks like you've got some good stuff there.

I see only one F-16 that carried a #1 during the time period including July 1986. 81-0663 was showing #1 in 1984 and then in 1987 number 7. NO other plane in that list shows #1 in that time period, so I'm going with that one.

As for the F-14, I think that is good. It has 125 on the nose, and the NMNA has planes they send to Battleship Alabama for display, so that would make sense. Marden shows it arrived less than two years after I shot it at NMNA.

Glenn

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