STEALING PHOTOS!!!????????

Felix-PRPS

Watermarks can be are optional if you dont like it you dont have to add it on your photos. But it's a solution that works perfectly in this situation. Every mayor aviation photography web page offers the option of a watermark. There need to be something to protect the work of the photographers that contribute to this webpage.

Ken Wang

Got an email back from FlightAware admin. They suspended the account tool But she didn't mention if those stolen photos are deleted.

DougRobertson

I just rechecked the FlightAware website and cclambert07 still has 234 photos posted, including two (at least) of my copyrighted photos-I did not review all. So, they haven't scrubbed any unless perhaps a person has complained directly. I will call them on mine that are shown without my permission-two of N5828S. Suggest all members of A-D take a look and see if you have been robbed of your copyrighted photos. Use the FlightAware link in BlueDharma's Forum post here.

Ken Wang

Doug is right. I just went through page 1 and page 3 of cclambert07's collection on FlightAware. Among 40 photos, 29 are taken from our site, from various members.

Here's a list:

N96734

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/178447.html

http://flightaware.com/photos/view/photo/176456-090da80de833a5fc9562fa5cf9315afb04f33afe;user=cclambert07;o=40

N41456

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/045322.html

http://flightaware.com/photos/view/photo/176456-76f1abaf5c34c6e87542e57c7fba546bf7248eb5;user=cclambert07;o=41

N6253X

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/081800.html

http://flightaware.com/photos/view/photo/176456-4445ed881884c71cea630d56d07c528f55d12dc6;user=cclambert07;o=42

N700PQ

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/128155.html

http://flightaware.com/photos/view/photo/176456-9d4f531df03c9eec1d051479ae1acaa0f9f4db75;user=cclambert07;o=43

N420QS

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/109764.html

http://flightaware.com/photos/view/photo/176456-959b4954eb3ac73db9fd3a26de1511aa68c4d41b;user=cclambert07;o=45

N222UT

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/006583.html

http://flightaware.com/photos/view/photo/176456-49aff35c4c42dd29ef6697cb0681e4321efa461a;user=cclambert07;o=47

N77NJ

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/068567.html

http://flightaware.com/photos/view/photo/176456-54a193a99e26d54c3f56fff864ccc25c3972f785;user=cclambert07;o=48

N486QS

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/106585.html

http://flightaware.com/photos/view/photo/176456-b8f22ed3950c54d48e21cec240de7afe58ae322d;user=cclambert07;o=51

N6867L

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/195996.html

http://flightaware.com/photos/view/photo/176456-9cb0dbb58ab9fa575722c0acaac2c93258036051;user=cclambert07;o=52

N546C

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/200127.html

http://flightaware.com/photos/view/photo/176456-0bcda8038a33a2e5506830bd5acff24072338267;user=cclambert07;o=53

N68SU

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/081453.html

http://flightaware.com/photos/view/photo/176456-a88c3ebd4c39248cac9cbe660a6abeeef0782250;user=cclambert07;o=54

N333BM

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/104254.html

http://flightaware.com/photos/view/photo/176456-20d87a6fe3f873a0748bc1579ab40e667dd84002;user=cclambert07;o=55

N608CW

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/126228.html

http://flightaware.com/photos/view/photo/176456-0bf12840cde86d1409c161a05e31a7afe11d80ca;user=cclambert07;o=0

N10FE

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/014795.html

http://flightaware.com/photos/view/photo/176456-fce78c7e863bc6105e0a8d6ca29409cfb1d97e8e;user=cclambert07;o=1

N5828S

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/132649.html

http://flightaware.com/photos/view/photo/176456-1213399561-d136d82056ae741ec13f9d5bcb99cad80ecbadbe;user=cclambert07;o=232

N486QS

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/106585.html

http://flightaware.com/photos/view/photo/176456-c8bc8e3945fd97106d753f81ea5aa82982bdd1cd;user=cclambert07;o=2

N525KR

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/144826.html

http://flightaware.com/photos/view/photo/176456-824003db448ccdac4369bdbf20fd34d4d9f96308;user=cclambert07;o=5

N788SF

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/028898.html

http://flightaware.com/photos/view/photo/176456-d784747d4f677d10c10b67d9d99c132cf21cd9ec;user=cclambert07;o=7

N553MC

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/079706.html

http://flightaware.com/photos/view/photo/176456-e93b48fd13bb613eac339376ebd1a7792fbee8f9;user=cclambert07;o=8

N177EL

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/178357.html

http://flightaware.com/photos/view/photo/176456-15ebdc8c5a92023585db868f6dd28861626326c8;user=cclambert07;o=9

N404JM

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/051781.html

http://flightaware.com/photos/view/photo/176456-df844bad02bfb9a0821e20e965447f3c02f1801d;user=cclambert07;o=10

N989QS

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/057370.html

http://flightaware.com/photos/view/photo/176456-89e0c68320afe2fc80f8d63ecff2b94d44411898;user=cclambert07;o=11

N64FB

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/057576.html

http://flightaware.com/photos/view/photo/176456-1487c68a5031f5ec22779b17544d15c10e6963f9;user=cclambert07;o=12

N901MV

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/194874.html

http://flightaware.com/photos/view/photo/176456-c6505b1c5603af33de1c68012a284039854439d4;user=cclambert07;o=13

N408QS

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/039264.html

http://flightaware.com/photos/view/photo/176456-9fa566d51666cb70e40f02232aef52dcc4c997f0;user=cclambert07;o=14

N54PV

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/136010.html

http://flightaware.com/photos/view/photo/176456-205b5e937eedf299088f46915ec910f5d42221df;user=cclambert07;o=16

N48SE

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/002281.html

http://flightaware.com/photos/view/photo/176456-5446848670511405afa50ba4251c1b90ca4a4b4b;user=cclambert07;o=17

N424HH

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/164520.html

http://flightaware.com/photos/view/photo/176456-cd0bc433d36c0532d17bddad6b0087f7178b2161;user=cclambert07;o=18

N903BH

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/165218.html

http://flightaware.com/photos/view/photo/176456-70dd5ba9efac2bd715bfb76b2fa1749812f6d098;user=cclambert07;o=19

It's pretty easy to check. Just search the aircraft registry on our site, and compare the thumbnails on aircraft info page with the one on flightaware. If you find identical ones, simple right click on thumbnails from both site, choose "copy link address" (or something like that) then paste to an editor (such as notepad on Windows). Add the aircraft registry in front, you will get a list like the one above.

Can anyone help me to check the rest of the pages? 1 or 2 pages per person should be enough. Please post back the result here if you can help. Thanks in advance.

Ken

Ken Wang

If you can help, please make sure list the page number you plan to work on here, in order to avoid duplicate work.

RichardTDavis

None of my shots there,but picked these three at random off flightaware and they were taken from airport-data photographers------N404CM by Geoff Smith,N61848 by P. Alejandro Diaz,N105BK by Sergel Riabsev......I cant believe that someone would do this to the rest of us .....I have recently started adding my more recent shots to flightaware....Ive heard that fboweb is starting to accept photos there...I havent checked there yet....flightaware and airport data should flush everything that cclamber07 has posted.....I do not like watermarks and dont like them doing it on flightaware but thats what they do........within the last year 3 of my photos posted on airport-data were used by the news media after crashes with fatals...one just last week ...media found them in a search then called General Aviation here in Danville Va. and they gave them my number ...of which they can use for free.. just give me credit...thats what these sites are all about ...but we just dont someone to take our work from us.

Ken Wang

I was checking site ranks on Yahoo. I used N240R as search keyword, as I know we are the only site that has N240R photo.

And I found this:

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/086974.html

http://flightaware.com/photos/view/photo/124456-9e5c59a21e860bd657f7579675f9f57725dbfaa5;newest=1;o=14

Doug, you need to contact FlightAware again. I will include this into my next email to FlightAware admin too.

FloridaMetal

Thank you bluedharma for pointing this out. I found that at least six of my photos were stolen by this guy too:

N561BP

N184WW

N808SV

N229DJ

N579BJ

N503RV

I'm going to email this guy asking him where he got one of these pictures, then when he lies to me I am basically going to tell him he is full of Sh**

DougRobertson

For photographs of yours copyrighted on this site that appear on FlightAware.com submitted by other than yourself, please notify them directly by this email address:

sara.land@flightaware.com

You can also call FlightAware toll free in the USA at 1-800-713-8570, after the recording press ONE on your phone and ask for Sara Land.

The N numbers of your stolen photos are enough to get her ball rolling. Make a strong case for FlightAware to kick off any submitter of even a single copyrighted stolen photo. I told her cclambert07 had been apparently kicked off by them (she knew of the problem) and why were his photos remaining on the site?

I also told her a method to automatically screen every photo submission for prior copyright by name of photographer; she was going to approach management with that. I trust you will keep this harried lady busy. I requested two photos of N5828S and one photo of N240R (or all of these of mine) be removed immediately. It is obvious that they are in way over their head on their recent venture of publishing aircraft photos on their website.

Ken Wang

I am not really happen about their action speed. Only two photos (the two Doug mentioned) were removed from cclambert07's collection. It was 234 photos in total before, now 232.

I will resend my last email to Sara and wait.

Ken

Ken Wang

Sorry I made a mistake. N240R photo was stolen by another user (with username scanfan), which has been removed. So only two N5828S photos were deleted from cclambert07's collection.

FloridaMetal

I was going to call the 1800 number on the site. I tried last night from work when I read this, but all I got was voice mail. I will try again tomorrow during the day when I am at home.

Ken Wang

As of now, 220 photos left in cclambert07's collection on FlightAware.

More stolen photos:

N788SF

Dean Heald

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/028898.html

http://flightaware.com/photos/view/photo/176456-d784747d4f677d10c10b67d9d99c132cf21cd9ec;user=cclambert07;o=4

N553MC

Brad Campbell

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/079706.html

http://flightaware.com/photos/view/photo/176456-e93b48fd13bb613eac339376ebd1a7792fbee8f9;user=cclambert07;o=5

N177EL

Wolfgang Zilske

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/178357.html

http://flightaware.com/photos/view/photo/176456-15ebdc8c5a92023585db868f6dd28861626326c8;user=cclambert07;o=6

N404JM

Steve Nation

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/051781.html

http://flightaware.com/photos/view/photo/176456-df844bad02bfb9a0821e20e965447f3c02f1801d;user=cclambert07;o=7

N989QS

Steve Nation

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/057370.html

http://flightaware.com/photos/view/photo/176456-89e0c68320afe2fc80f8d63ecff2b94d44411898;user=cclambert07;o=8

N64FB

Steve Nation

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/057576.html

http://flightaware.com/photos/view/photo/176456-1487c68a5031f5ec22779b17544d15c10e6963f9;user=cclambert07;o=9

N901MV

Steve Nation

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/194874.html

http://flightaware.com/photos/view/photo/176456-c6505b1c5603af33de1c68012a284039854439d4;user=cclambert07;o=10

N408QS

Steve Nation

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/039264.html

http://flightaware.com/photos/view/photo/176456-9fa566d51666cb70e40f02232aef52dcc4c997f0;user=cclambert07;o=11

N54PV

Justin Kenny

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/136010.html

http://flightaware.com/photos/view/photo/176456-205b5e937eedf299088f46915ec910f5d42221df;user=cclambert07;o=13

N48SE

Dean Ingemanson

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/002281.html

http://flightaware.com/photos/view/photo/176456-5446848670511405afa50ba4251c1b90ca4a4b4b;user=cclambert07;o=14

N424HH

Terry Fletcher

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/164520.html

http://flightaware.com/photos/view/photo/176456-cd0bc433d36c0532d17bddad6b0087f7178b2161;user=cclambert07;o=15

N903BH

Terry Fletcher

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/165218.html

http://flightaware.com/photos/view/photo/176456-70dd5ba9efac2bd715bfb76b2fa1749812f6d098;user=cclambert07;o=16

N150GD

Daniel Compton

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/129560.html

http://flightaware.com/photos/view/photo/176456-de56ead6f8cfa2eb6e3cbe14fd6e5ee3455ad54c;user=cclambert07;o=17

N24BC

Doug Robertson

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/224018.html

http://flightaware.com/photos/view/photo/176456-e9aac00a0e427f164f3674310434e55db999238a;user=cclambert07;o=18

FloridaMetal

Dang that makes 7 he got from me

Ken Wang

And more (Even Nick Dean's recent submission got stolen):

N967CM

Nick Dean

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/218769.html

http://flightaware.com/photos/view/photo/176456-0326717f4678c103d618f48aeb47e7ae6683c5ff;user=cclambert07;o=26

N12GJ

Steve Nation

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/028916.html

http://flightaware.com/photos/view/photo/176456-ba40163a78ca6e38243257c91f93111cd65dcc29;user=cclambert07;o=27

N50EE

barry quince

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/034238.html

http://flightaware.com/photos/view/photo/176456-5433e993bc7d4d601d3f4d25441ba7b89c797512;user=cclambert07;o=28

N50EE

Steve Nation

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/195948.html

http://flightaware.com/photos/view/photo/176456-089cab218774368b8a6ca699c9588cf311cd22f8;user=cclambert07;o=29

N6999J

Doug Robertson

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/067198.html

http://flightaware.com/photos/view/photo/176456-fec8832dc3dbdd0a9c1179fb513018ba805c366d;user=cclambert07;o=31

N604TH

Egill Gudmundsson

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/082982.html

http://flightaware.com/photos/view/photo/176456-6c25e49462554c4bf71f42a83ac252e5f5a395f1;user=cclambert07;o=32

N6335X

Steve Nation

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/195993.html

http://flightaware.com/photos/view/photo/176456-886b0530ded9e7b193e0783494617ecc4c626536;user=cclambert07;o=35

N222UT

Scott Gist

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/006583.html

http://flightaware.com/photos/view/photo/176456-49aff35c4c42dd29ef6697cb0681e4321efa461a;user=cclambert07;o=39

Ken Wang

Some deeper dig turned out that cclamber07's submissions on our site (at least some of them) are taken from other aviation sites, here's an example:

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Untitled-(NetJets)/Gulfstream-Aerospace-G-IV/1178274&tbl=photo_info&photo_nr=5&sok=WHERE__(reg_%3D_%27N422QS%27)_&sort=_order_by_photo_id_DESC_&prev_id=1192690&next_id=1162384

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/193676.html

(this photo will be removed soon).

(edit: I copied this photo aside as a proof)

Guess it's time to wipe out his submissions.

Ken

Bluedharma

turned out that cclamber07's submissions on our site (at least some of them) are taken from other aviation sites

Ken,

Whoa...

What a pain in the back-end.

cclamber07 like proof-positive...Not a good guy. Looks like everyone has suffered on this one.

Ken, I am glad you are taking positive steps to resolve these issues!

Thanks again.

Ken Wang

Thank you all for the support in this issue. I just deleted all photos submitted by cclamber07 from our site. I also made a suggestion to FlightAware that they take the same action. We should use the time to do something more construtive instead of checking stolen photos.

Ztex

It is interesting is you put this guy's pseudonym in the search engine...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User

Of course there are numerous links to Flight Aware and Airport-Data depending whether you use cclamber07 or cclambert07

DougRobertson

Ken,

In speaking with Sara Land at FlightAware, I got the strong feeling she felt overwhelmed, and would only act on one photo at a time with evidence for that photo. I suggested she really neded to take up the problem with FlightAware's management and their legal department. Her excuse: "We get a million calls a day", but probably not about copyright violations. I am not sure what cclambert07's status is there with most of his photos still there, although she claimed he no longer a member. Very odd.

Every A-D member who has a copyrighted aircraft photo stolen and appearing on that site needs to call Sara Land and state their beef. I tried, and got three of my copyrighted photos removed in short order by her. Again, her number is I-800-713-8570 and press one and ask for her.

They really need to police every photo submission, and are in over their head with what they recently started-showing aircraft photos, many purloined.

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